Now, I am writing epic fantasy, and I know that I’ll cut tons in the rewrites. A scene is one continuous piece of action within a linear timeframe and generally contained to a single location. If you then want to fling large quantities of cash at me in gratitude, please don’t. You’ll need a scene that resolves the end of your story. For fantasy she gives as an average 90,000 to 125,000 words, but says that for epic fantasy this can go up to 180,000-200,000 words. So, yes, a list of books that are good examples and a list of required scenes/conventions/etc. A Swain “scene” can take place across multiple scenes of a novel (for example if a conflict takes multiple scenes to address before it reaches disaster). You’ll need a scene that creates a crisis question at the end of your story. I’m thinking 80,000 words in length. Any thoughts on where other genres lie on the spectrum? I’m just basing this on my spreadsheet of The Fellowship of the Ring, but there are a lot of long scenes there too. I noticed Joel mentioned Larry Brooks, I just finished the story engineering book this morning, for the third time this year. You’ll need a scene that climaxes the end of your story. If the Story is extremely well told, you’ll just keep eating the potato chip scenes all through the night. (I’ll review the building blocks of Story in future posts too.). So, it’s a safe assumption to make that if you want to begin a path that will satisfy a particular readership, your goal is to put together 80,000 to 100,000 words in a unique and compelling way. The theme is something along the lines of ‘dealing with the fact that you can’t make anything undone’ – One character is a lowly policeofficer who does a bad thing, one of the others the prime minister, who tries to deal with the fallout on the societal level, while the officer deals with the fallout on a personal level. It’s much easier to figure out where to cut a piece of lumber than it is framing a house. A list of “must read” writing books would be good, you’ve mentioned Zuckerman’s book, oh and the book by Lukeman you couldn’t recall the name of: First Five Pages. And the problem we’re facing now is figuring out how to map out a course to get from idea to first draft or of how to evaluate the first draft we have in hand. Finally, let’s consider the difference … "Augustus Waters,” I said, looking up at him, … Happy New Year! Breaking down a novel into bite-size, doable pieces, with an intention for each scene, gives me the map I need to complete this novel-writing journey. I am now about 10,000 words away from completing my first draft of that first novel…and I know this because of The Math. But if the narrative is really moving after you finish one of these bites, you won’t be able to help yourself reading another. Your posts are so very helpful (that’s a gross understatement but I can’t find the right word) that I now find myself getting up at 6 am to see if there might be one waiting for me. How long will it take you to write the first draft? I’m not sure if you’ve already dealt with your word count, but I’ve been researching a bit in this area today, so I thought I’d reply. I didn’t expect this. Thanks, Shawn that helps. With plenty of zeroes. The First Encounter. Your chapters can be long or short. And we’ll have 7-8 scenes in addition to our 5 obligatory scenes for our end (12-13 total). A sequel is what follows; an aftermath. And a very cursory look at the math of a novel is definitely worth the time. It’s a mass market, genre novel—a fairly good one—and what’s appropriate for a genre novel isn’t appropriate for, say, a small press, literary novel. Look forward to seeing you on the big screen…lol, Hi Matt, Sure, but this ballpark range is where the novel has settled over the last twenty years or so. I counted pages instead of words, but for example the scene in which they left Lothlórien was 14.5 pages, and, by far the longest one, the Council of Elrond was an impressive 38.5 pages. Here are a few reasons to start a new chapter: Changing the point of view of the narrator. Act 1, Scene 1: A desert place. Should you outline your story before you start writing? I have 7 children who despise it. We’ll have 20 additional scenes to play with in addition to our 5 obligatory scenes in the middle (25 total). So, you’re telling one story, even if you have two main characters (I’m still not going there. Very helpful. You’ll need a scene that is the inciting incident of the beginning of your story. FYI, when you measure a 2×4 and cut it to length, that is simply “cutting” or perhaps you can use the word “chop” (a miter saw is often referred to as a “chop” saw). So I used the math as presented here and in the book to help me plan my first novel. The Story Grid is a tool developed by editor Shawn Coyne to analyze stories and provide helpful editorial comments. I am going to steal insights from Dwight Swain’s book, Techniques of t… I was reading over this post (for the millionth time because I love it so much) when I wondered… in the book (which I am eagerly anticipating) will there be any discussion of how to approach shorter forms like novellas and short stories? But I will say that if this is not an epic novel (and it doesn’t sound like it is) then you’d be best served using a single central protagonist who arcs. Thank you. I am working on an erotica-political-woman in jeopardy thriller, I need to know what this sub-sub-sub genre requires in terms of conventions and scenes. I’m playing catch-up by reading through all your older posts. The Kiss Quotient, by Helen Hoang. Shawn. You’ll need a scene that resolves the beginning of your story. One of your characters is the main character. Are There Different Rules for Scene Breaks vs. Chapter Breaks? At just 30 years old, she’s found … You’ve likely heard that a scene should … There’s an outcome, and that leads to the next scene. Too many long scenes in a row will cause your narrative to drag. I expanded the Catch-22 doc in the article and counted the listed scenes. It’s like a CT Scan that takes a photo of the global story and tells the editor or writer what is working, what is not, and what must be done to make what works better and fix... Is this your first crack at writing and finishing your book? And feel free to take me out at the knees if you don’t go for it. According to the Oxford Dictionary, a scene is “a sequence of continuous action in a play, film, opera, or book.” Each scene usually occurs in a single location: in one scene, the characters are sitting in a bar having a conversation. If a character is going to think in your action opening, let the action come … The more I thought about this the more confused I became. I got wind of you through an interview you did with Joanna Penn. Great post, Shawn. An 11-year-old Girl Fucks All Her Friends to Save the World. A three act novel is only one of the story structures your novel can use. I’ve always loved math. So there will be at least 15 scenes in your book: You’ll need a scene that is the inciting incident of the beginning of your story. So in terms of the math, the Story does not have to be longer. The details of the novel’s opening scene and the film’s opening scene differ—the couple in the book are a man and a woman sharing a beach house rather than a couple of teenagers at a beach party—but the action is the same: The woman goes for her last swim in the sea while her drunken companion passes out. Scenes and sequels should continue to alternate the entire length of the novel, and in doing so, they’ll create a natural flow for both plot progression & character development. Once we get to the end, then we can go back and fix our blunders. Hi Ulla, Hooray! This makes sense, and the math shows both the challenge and the possibility. This is probably the last thing they’ll tell you at the Iowa Writer’s Workshop, but it’s a reality worth considering. My question is: Do I double the 15 obligatory scenes because I’m alternating back and forth between two people or does the original 15 set scenes remain in place regardless? I’m thinking 11 scene/chapters for the beginning, 18 for the middle, and another 11 for the end. But if you were to average every story ever told, 25/50/25 would be the result. Some novels have one scene per chapter for the entire story. If I remember correctly, potato chip length was anything between 2,000 and 4,000 words, so if your scenes are a bit longer, that’s fine. Hope that helps. We can work on including 70 scenes and sequels in every book we write. Basically, epic fantasy readers have a lot of patience. The Middle is about one half of the Story. Or do I just have the three of them share til assignments between them? The novel I’m currently working on is right around 75 Scenes (About 35 scenes, 35 sequels, and 5 incidents – what the writing software I’m using refers to when a protagonist accomplishes a short term goal without any setbacks) and so far I seem to be averaging about 1500 words for the scenes and about 1000 words for the … Based on the mythology studies of Joseph Campbell, this story structure has been especially popular with fantasy writers as it is well-suited to quest narratives. How many words should be in the middle? You’ll need a scene that progressively complicates the beginning of your story. Do you really need novel writing software? The potato chip analogy is priceless. On the other hand, a classic whodunit might be only 70,000 words, since the reader has to remember the whole thing when she gets to the big reveal at the end. I promise that all http://www.storygrid.com and http://www.stevenpressfield.com subscribers will get a leg up on the book before we go wide. It’s the length the average reader is expecting—not too much and not too little. Click here to buy. You’ll probably want to stay away from having lots of very short chapters unless your story takes many dramatic twists and turns. Great, thanks Michael! And one of my favorite and helpful things was his list and commentary on the 50 biggest grossing movies of all time. You may also wonder how long each of your scenes should be. You are an artist and this mathematical manipulation is probably rubbing you the wrong way. This is my life’s work and it’s not for everyone. Act 1, Scene 4: Forres.The palace. A scene has two levels of structure, and only two. What happens in your story will determine how long your scene should be. Scenes can also vary greatly in length. Divide your average words per scene into your desired total word count. Robert Jordan’s _The Eye Of the World_ is over 260,00 words, while Terry Goodkind’s _Wizard’s First Rule_ ran over 300,00, and Tad Williams’ _The Dragonbone Chair_ was over 315,00 (all rough estimates). If you want to know what the reader expects from erotica political thriller woman-in jeopardy novels, I suggest you use the story grid to map out novels that are in this sub sub genre that “work” successfully. That is why you became a writer/storyteller. Hi Matt, And then how many words should be in the beginning? Can’t wait for the book! When a scene-break happens within a chapter, it is usually identified by three centered asterisks or a double spaced brake between paragraphs. They are: 1. We’ve already determined that we need at least 15 scenes in the book, 5 in the beginning, 5 in the middle, and 5 in the end. 3 Reasons to write your novel first and format later, How to get of your rut and keep writing your novel, How to get past the gatekeepers at the publishing house, 5 Reasons the publisher rejected your book, Why publishers don’t like your query letter, 9 Surprising reasons your manuscript sucks, How to sell the first 100 copies of your book, 3 Unexpected reasons to ignore your beta readers. With fantasy there’s a lot of world building as well, so that has some impact on how long your scenes are. I’m reading all the posts over and over and absorbing something new each time! Again, this is subjective and completely up to your discretion. 25% of them are for the Beginning Hook, 50% are for the Middle Build, and 25% are for the Ending Payoff. Here is a piece of information that professional writers spend 10,000 hours of their lives figuring out. A complete list would be great, or even a “Top Ten” or “Top Twenty”, it’s hard to decide how many to read….War of Art, On Writing, Bird by Bird, Elements of Style, Writing Well, Sol Stein? EXAMPLE: Approximately 12,500 / about 8 scenes = 1,500 words per scene. A leap forward in narrative time, or a change in setting/location, usually marks the end of one scene and the beginning of a new one. You hate math. How to make writing a priority year-round, Why you’re not taking your writing seriously and how to overcome that, How to write a novel while parenting a preschooler, 4 Tips on how to get your novel written while taking care of a school-age child. Thank you for your help. An average book is 365-pages long. Wow. 4. On the other hand, if your scene consists of a quick hit-and-run incident, you might decide to keep it short for dramatic effect. You’ll need a scene that progressively complicates the middle of your story. I’m committed to changing that. Act 1, Scene 2: A camp near Forres. But now I’m almost done with my first draft and I’m WAY over my planned wordcount – I was shooting for ~90,000, but my first draft is going to be double that. It’s down to me: get it done. Btw, I review a lot of stuff, as an example: http://www.amazon.com/review/R2QEQX3LRL0NWM/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm. a section of your novel where a character or characters engage in action or dialogue It won’t be long before I have a clean lane to sprint down. Appreciate the work! I get it. Forty 2,000 word scenes/chapters. I’ve been trying to figure out how many words per scene and chapter for weeks. Even though I have steel reinforced math anxiety, this by-the-numbers breakdown brings me comfort? Scenes can be long or short. Looking forward to the next post, and sharing those you’ve already written with writer pals. Think of it this way: at the beginning of each scene a character has a goal. Remember: a sex scene in a novel can be just a sex scene. So you have the top quarter of your Foolscap Global Story Grid filled in. How many words should you write in a day or week? I’m having a very strange reaction to this post. While just about any story of any genre can work off the base of the ten key foundational scenes, from there, a whole lot of variety can take place. The reality is that short, staccato scenes are more acceptable in faced paced thrillers or sports lit, where longer, perfectly realized scenes might bore … Remember that a scene creates a clear value change in the life of a character through conflict. Now I know my short chapters are okay. So if we’re writing a 100,000-word novel, we’ll have about 50 scene/chapters in our novel. I also recommend that you treat your scenes like chapters. You can accomplish quite a bit in 2000 words and if you successfully leave out the stuff that the reader does not need explained to them, 2000 words can often be way too much. Fantasy novels seem to be way longer. Whereas, if you cram five scenes into a chapter that ends up being forty pages, the bedside reader will have a much easier time of just setting the book down before beginning the long slog through seven five hundred words. I know. How many words should be in the end? If your characters are having a long conversation with each other, then your scene might run to be several pages long. You’ll need a scene that is the inciting incident of the middle of your story. 3. Knowing how to write a scene is a crucial skill for writing a novel. Let’s break it down further using the Foolscap method. I think about the Inciting Incident scenes, Progressive Complications scenes, the Crisis scenes, the Climax scenes and the Resolution scenes for the beginning, middle and end of a book. The average length of a commercial novel today is between 80,000 and 100,000 words. It would be awesome to have a good list of best selling, popular books, listed in genre; this is something in a previous post you said you were working on, so I guess my encouragement and request as a reader is to expand this idea. I know. In my own novel, I used a large white-board and listed all the chapters in order to get the story flow right. One is a sidekick. This is where a little rudimentary math will help. Shawn: Thanks again for all this work, it’s truly a gift. Together, scene and sequel provide the building blocks of plot for short stories, novels, and other forms of fiction.” Scenes are indispensable when writing a novel. Measuring the length of a board, marking where to cut it, and then taking a saw and ripping it at that mark is the primal skill for a carpenter. I’m thrilled to have a target to work with. You’ll need a scene that is the inciting incident of the end of your story. So if you’re featuring a couple of cops…have the sensitive one be the one who ends up being sadistic and the scary tough one end up in a scene where he does something empathetic. Not having the end of a chapter in sight might make your reader feel like they have to work too hard to get to a good stopping point in your story. My next post will throw it out there. Sounds like you’re writing classic multi-protagonist miniplot. Love this, Shawn! Are there stories that do not break down 25/50/25? Ugggg…when to stop reading and do more writing..? I first encountered the concept of scenes and sequels in a book by Jack M. Bickham, Scene and Structure: How to construct fiction with scene-by-scene flow, logic and readability. And for the 2,000 words. From our earlier beginning, middle and end discussion, we know that 15 of those 50 scenes are already spoken for. Read this guide for tips on writing scenes, including how to start and end scenes, as well as scene-planning and structuring tips. Are you lost on how to tackle this project? Should you pay for novel writing software for your first novel? What I liked about Farland’s list was how he went through and found commonality between all these great stories that became all time favorite movies. I have a theory about why Stories break down like this. As I mentioned before, I love lists. Story Beats are the actor’s domain. To be straightforward. A novel is lengthy, about 80,000-130,000 words. How many scenes are in a novel? At the beginning of the long form Story process, the problems we face are innumerable. I just reviewed a book called Million Dollar Outlines, by writer/teacher David Farland: http://www.amazon.com/review/RP71LLCA4EFL1/ref=cm_cr_pr_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B00L7UT850. I’m in the planning stages of a novel, so it was right on time. When I break down The Story Grid Spreadsheet (the micro view of a Story) for The Silence of the Lambs, you’ll see where Thomas Harris fell on the scene word count spectrum. Many authors plan or outline the sequence of events using scene & sequel on index cards before writing. You’ll need a scene that creates a crisis question at the beginning of your story. No matter how many Acts you have (3 to 5 to 7), you need a beginning to your story, a middle section to your story and an ending to your story. Scenes are the basic building blocks of plot. Funny, but I had already used the 1-5 (15 scenes) to create an outline of how I plan to write the novel I’m currently working (on based upon your infograph and storygrid sheet) before reading this post. The Fault in Our Stars by John Green. Love the math, but I think the overall length is genre-specific. It makes me feel brave. And then your alternating chapters won’t feel forced, rather they’ll feel organic. You’ll need a scene that climaxes the middle of your story. Ideally the first meeting takes place within the first 3-5 pages and/or within the … I am a tactile creator who has to have a visual – whether it’s the story I’m working on or the meal I’m cooking. A chapter can contain one s cene or many scenes. “In fiction, a scene is a unit of drama. So the first breakdown of the 80,000 to 100,000 word book are the scenes necessary to create the five building materials for your beginning, middle and end of your Global Story. Required fields are marked *. You’ll need a scene that climaxes the beginning of your story. I first read about “The Math” when you posted about it on Steven’s blog – and it was the post that made me think, “Who is this guy and how do I learn what HE knows?” I was in the early stages of my first novel and The Math was tremendously helpful in making the endeavor seem doable. But if we never write a first draft because we get stuck after writing three scenes, we’re never going to finish the novel. We have a general idea of how the story flows, but we weren’t sure where to put what. This post on Math blew me away. So if you have some longer scenes: as long as they are constructed well, people will forgive you for it. Better to have a map of the targets we need to hit in order to make it to the end. This is really helpful. So we have 35 scenes left. Most of my chapters are of a single scene, and I have 38 of them in my book. That is, each one of them is one part of a larger “being.” Each has his/her own particular characteristics that when added up create a larger whole. The End is the last quarter of the Story. Each was the first book in a series, with later ones running longer. Let’s set aside 25% of these for the BEGINNING, 50% of them for THE MIDDLE and the other 25% for THE END. These techniques are meant to serve as a subtle visual signal to the reader that the scene they were rea… The beginning may comprise 2 Acts, the middle 3 acts and the end 2 acts, but I don’t really care. The idea of breaking down a novel is super helpful and I’ve come to realize not doing this is why I’ve never finished anything. Scenes are usually only 400-500 words long. But let me emphasize again that you may end up with 6 scenes for the beginning, 30 for the middle and 14 for the end or the other way around. What you really need to know is when you should start a new scene. All the hottest NSFW excerpts from romance novel sex scenes guaranteed to turn you on: Anne Rice, '50 Shades of Grey', and more erotica. I’ve learned ways to make it palatable. The key again is to think of the three characters as part of a whole. Like Checkov’s THREE SISTERS or Woody Allen’s Hannah and her Sisters. Here’s where too many writers flounder. That is, each scene should be a chapter in your novel. We are merely trying to map out a course of work for us to bang out a first draft. I’m later to the party, but I couldn’t agree more. From A-Z the wealth of information I’ve gotten out of your posts has helped me eliminate months of frustration trying to do ‘after the fact’ what you’ve mapped out ahead of time, in a way connects the dots. I … But that wasn’t your question: the OS&Cs relate to the story and not a character. ), The key building block for a long form narrative is the Scene. People like to stop reading when they’ve finished a chapter, not in the middle of a chapter. While they’re defeating It down in Derry’s … Two thousand word scene/chapters is potato chip length. That is, if you are about to go to bed and your reading a terrific novel and the scenes/chapters come in around 2000 word bites, you’ll tell yourself that you’ll read just one more chapter. You’ve got doable pieces of work that can be attacked one day, one session at a time. Usually, the scenes within a chapter are related. Now all I have to do is color in the picture. 4 Reasons to invest in novel writing software, What your novel writing program should do for you, The advantages of novel writing software with minimal features. How to continue writing your novel when you get stuck. Your key scenes can be divided equally between the two or you could shade a little more to one side or the other. This is has been so helpful, considering what stumped me was not having general structure for my story. Your email address will not be published. My other advice is to do the opposite of what the audience would expect. Human beings are hard-wired to respond to conflict, especially if it is vicarious, so it makes sense that successful books are made up of two or three scenes to every one sequel. “Ripping” is when you cut a board lengthwise, something you might use a table saw for, or if you are a pro, you can use a worm drive saw as well it’s just a bit more dangerous. One thing you can do is create that scene outline for what you have so far and have me critique it, along with a summary of the rest of the novel. Many novels create their own structure according to their needs. Originally the math was short, so I added scenes. About how many “Scenes” do you average per novel and about how long are they? Use these examples to write your own novel that works. When you do a series or a two-book story, you still need the basic ten scenes in each book because every novel should have a specific plot goal that is presented and reached in the climax. After thousands of years of storytelling, the beginning, the middle and the end for a long form Archplot or Miniplot story breaks down as follows: The Beginning is about one quarter of the Story. But, math is a Godsend. A question, if you have time: I have three protagonists, and there’s a chapter with A, then a chapter following B and then a chapter with C and rinse and repeat. What a godsend to be able to look over at the work flow sheet and know where I’m at, and where I need to go next. I’ve said this before but I need to say it again: thank you so very much for sharing everything you know so freely with us. How many scenes and sequels do we need in our books? Absolutely. Does that change the math? But there is also something to be said against chapters that are too long. Absolutely brilliant, Shawn, and answers dozens of questions all at once. More rarely, an entire scene-sequel or more can take place within a single scene if the pace is very rapid. You brought up some things for me to think about that I hadn’t considered. Scenes and Sequels: The Essential Building Blocks. I’m okay with that. ), Thanks Joel, that clarifies things. You can buy the Arden text of this play from the Amazon.com online bookstore: Macbeth (Arden Shakespeare: Second Series) Entire play in one page. Those are great questions, and we are going to attempt to answer them for you. There is no “rule” about 12/25/13. Math helps you break problems into little bits. Another is ‘The Hero’s Journey’. Sometimes that reaction is the beginning of the next scene. The small-scale structure of the sceneThis may seem obvious, but by the end of this article, I hope to convince you that it’s terribly profound. Act 1, Scene 3: A heath near Forres. I am excited for your book to come out and to continue learning from you as I launch into novel number two. Develop your plot to include the number of scenes you should write for your desired total word count. Especially helpful if your working with multiple plots and characters. I just read Marathon Man yesterday because it was on your list for the sub genre political thriller, I am planning on getting to Sleeping with the Enemy next, but you didn’t have any examples of erotica…. Thank you for organizing them. So let’s look a novel in mathematical terms. You do it nicely here, Shawn: show how it’s useful and don’t muddy the waters. Here are a few examples of when it may be appropriate to start a new scene: You may also wonder when you should start a new chapter instead. I’m working on co-authoring a fantasy book with my sister, and we’ve been having trouble figuring out chapter lengths and how to space out the action. So much less scary in these bite-sized pieces! Thank you again for sharing so much with us. Stella Lane is wildly successful. How do you begin to actually map out the rest of your Story? Sort of like Seven Samaurai, only with two people. To keep it simple, you’ll need a beginning, middle, and an end to your story. There are no rules you have to follow except for what makes logical sense for your story. Instead I concentrate on the five building materials for each of the three sections. As an editor, I don’t worry so much about figuring out exactly how many ACTS are in a book. But at its most basic form, each scene tells a small story that is part of the big story. Based upon the blog, I can assure you that my review will be glowing and 5 stars, it’s been very helpful. But before we dive into it, remember that you are not the problem. I’d really rather have a check. Your email address will not be published. It’s all about CHANGE. They react to it. So, if you are writing a 100,000-word novel, the beginning will generally be 25,000 words, the middle will generally be 50,000 words and the end will be the last 25,000 words. Thank you! When I talk to my coaching clients about mapping out their story, the universal response is the assumption that there are only 2 possibilities: an excruciatingly detailed 25,000-word outline which is essentially the book without adjectives and prepositions, or pants like the wind, winging it all the way. Reply. So we’ll need 7-8 scenes in addition to our 5 obligatory scenes for our beginning (12-13 total). Is there a way to take the “beginning hook, middle build, and ending payoff” concepts even further to break down the work into more “doable” parts? I’ll agree that math is a Godsend, but so are you Shawn – this post answers so many questions for me – thank you! You’ll need a scene that progressively complicates the end of your story. Same goes with writing or editing a long form Story. The answer is the number of scenes to brainstorm. Doing two will be too much for the reader. 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